True mantilla?

[Andersp90]

Daniel Wehrli has made a new chapter on his homepage called "Potamotrygon orbignyi sp. mantilla ray".

He claims they were caught in Marajo, just as MichaelH´s rays (same fish?).

Could this be an actual species worthy of the name mantilla?

I have added pics from daniel and michael.

Daniel:









Michael´s fish, also from Marajo:

[Lode]

The name "Mantilla" originates from Richard Ross, who named P19, 20, 21 after a distributer from Florida, named Jose Mantilla. What's the relationshop with Potamotrygon orbignyi, P11?

Fantastic stingray by the way!

[FABIEN]

Here is some pictures I took last week in a friend's aquarium. The mantillas have the same origin than D. Wehrli's ones (same German wholesaler).

Male:





Female:

[Andersp90]

The name orbi is from michael as he got his shipemnt as p. orbi.

He also says that the fish daniel and fabien are showing are from glaser. Glaser got them from brazil. But from where he dosent know.

[Bobbie]

I think Mantilla is just a natural hybrid.

[Andersp90]

No doubt that most are. But there may just be a true species with the mantilla look.

[DavidW]

I think they are Orbignyi variants, and 'mantilla" is a hobby name. Orbs are possibly the most varied species in their markings. I am friendly with the uni professor in Brazil who specifically studies orbignyi.

[amazongirl]

It would be interesting to see what the underside mouth area looks like. P orbignyi is pretty distinctive.

[DavidW]

Amazongirl !!!!!!!

[Lode]

Welcome to the forum Erica. What is specific about the underside mouth area?